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    Wishgranter
    Hi Warren Schultz

    "Online during export?" You can't perform a complete workflow offline?

    its like in TRIAL version up to 31.1. so when need EXPORT need to be connected. Not for recon and etc..
    Just for export..


    Euro 400/year for limited tech support.


    Are you limiting installs to a single PC like the preview version? (If you're selling the option to pre-process in the field and bring the project back to the office for full pricing, that sounds like two licenses are required?)
    can switch licenses from PC to PC but at least for now its limited how much times can switch per year


    Edit: Page has been updated again.
    *no* tech support?


    15,000 EUR for perpetual for a single seat?
    yes, its not a small price but we sell it and customers are happy
    if do serious business its pay back very quickly, just from FB scan studios it can pay back in 8-12 months in much cleaner workflow



    I'm more than a little disappointed.
    every new tech cost a lot....
    so the 2500 imgs/scanns version for 99 EUR is not enough ?
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    Bill Isenberger
    Didn't see the pricing right away, then found it on the product>buy page:
    https://www.capturingreality.com/Product

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    chris
    so with the $15000 version, is that per node if you want distributed over say 10 pc's that would be $150000?
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    chris
    dose the $400 /yr version support distributed?

    though the 2500 photo limit may be an issue, I've already been running bigger jobs on the beta.
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    Wishgranter
    Hi Chris

    so with the $15000 version, is that per node if you want distributed over say 10 pc's that would be $150.000?
    yes, its intended for LARGE datasets say 100k+ imgs + 1000´s of laser scans to get reconstructed in "reasonable times"

    dose the $400 /yr version support distributed?
    not yet...

    though the 2500 photo limit may be an issue, I've already been running bigger jobs on the beta.
    yes its not a small price, but 2500 imgs can cover middle sized buildings (100x 100m ) with res under 2mm
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    chris
    so looking at this again. is the 7500 /yr one the most feature packed?

    since that's the only one with command line.
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    Jon
    The pricing seems reasonable, however without certain features like EXR export I'll have to wait before considering purchase.
    If I pay the $99 for three months, can I get another three months afterwards?
    I would suggest just doing $33 a month if this is the case. Otherwise its confusing :)
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    numerobis
    limited to 2500 images? really?!? that's very sad...
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    Wishgranter
    The pricing seems reasonable, however without certain features like EXR export I'll have to wait before considering purchase.
    we will add 16-32bit exports soon....


    If I pay the $99 for three months, can I get another three months afterwards?
    yes if pay for another 3 months :D

    I would suggest just doing $33 a month if this is the case. Otherwise its confusing
    no we set it as it is...
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    Wishgranter
    Hi numerobis0

    limited to 2500 images? really?!? that's very sad...
    what sort of stuff are you processing ?

    with 2500 imgs can get medium size object (100x100m ) like this one with aprox 2mm res
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    numerobis
    yes for most exterior stuff this could be enough.

    Maybe i'm doing something wrong, but i have several interior image sets with 2000+ images for different parts of a project which i would like to combine = maybe 6000-7000 images (and also add the exterior with 1500 images).
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    Wishgranter
    yes for most exterior stuff this could be enough.

    Maybe i'm doing something wrong, but i have several interior image sets with 2000+ images for different parts of a project which i would like to combine = maybe 6000-7000 images (and also add the exterior with 1500 images).

    PM me on milos.lukac@capturingreality.com so we can talk what can be done to improve-optimize it.....
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    Jon
    How soon can I buy the 3 months? and also are there any special offers for beta testers? :D
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    BrestScan3D
    Ok... I think that 99$ is a good price.
    The only problem I see is that we don't have any support. And it is a real problem, because it is still a beta and there is no complete documentation. I don't want to pay 400$ just to go around the bugs.
    I don't feel confortable until I don't have a documentation explaining the meaning of all the parameters involved.

    The tendancy I see on the market (Microsoft, Autodesk, etc...) is to offer a subsciption based on a monthly base : it seems that it is the way the market is evolving...
    Something I really regret : you had the emails address of the people involved in the first beta version. And by the reports sent you would have been able to see who were the real beta testers. It would have been nice to get an email before the end of the 1st beta version and for this announcement.

    I'm going to test intensively this new version and see how it works.
    but 99$ remains a good surprise...
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    Götz Echtenacher
    I mostly agree with toulbroch24.
    99 for 3 months of basic is a very good price.
    2500 images isn't that low if you compare that with a competing app where I am restricted by my hardware to about 500 whereas RC can deal with over 2200 without any issues.

    I also agree with his "disappointment" about the beta - and it's testers.
    It doesn't seem fair to ask for these prices on beta conditions, especially without a proper manual.
    On the other hand, these guys can't work for free indefinitely.

    I very much hope that technical support means specific first-hand help with typical problems with installation, setup, first use and so one.
    Beta related issues (bugs and feature requests) should be treated a such, meaning that they should be discussed as they were since that is the point of beta, right?

    What I am more disappointed about is that there aren't more options, even though it has been discussed in the past.
    I might need more than 2500 images but no laser data support (a big part of the app) and frankly, 400 to 7500 (for all of 1 year!!) is quite a steep step, not to mention 15000 for perpetual one without(!!) updates. It is definitely too much for me! I wonder if the guys wouldn't eventually make more money by asking (considerably?) less but therefore having more customers.

    Something that in my view is absolutely essential (if there will be no option around 3000€) is a tech support subscription for small offices like me, who want to use the app professionally.

    However, it must also be said that the app is groundbreaking and opens an entirely new league.
    I got some amazing results that are not even remotely comparable to the outcome of the same dataset with a competing app (guess which). And after a couple of 99 subscriptions it might be clear if a larger one will pay off or not.
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    BrestScan3D
    "What I am more disappointed about is that there aren't more options, even though it has been discussed in the past.
    I might need more than 2500 images but no laser data support (a big part of the app) and frankly, 400 to 7500 (for all of 1 year!!) is quite a steep step"

    I totally agree... for me using laser data support is just not for the same people and will be useless for a lot of us.
    If you have a lidar system, I think because of the size of your projects, you can afford 10.000-20.000 $
    Photogrammetry alone is another market.
    But I must say that the 2500 images limit is not a real problem for me... even with a poor canon eos 760d you can get very detailed results...
    A big step will be to have a detailed documentation... I know it takes time but if you don't have any support, you need something to refer to.

    But yes, I agree also, this software looks very promising.
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    Götz Echtenacher
    True.
    But then there is the forum, which is not the same as tech support and it seems like slowly people are starting to discuss and help each other... :D

    Another thought on pricing:
    If you are aiming for similar results with a competitor, you are looking at significant expences for your hardware. I did not look into it exactly but I guess that 5-10k is no problem. Considering that you can really work on a 1k machine with over 2k images (like I do) and get incredible results, a bit of a trade-off for the software seems reasonable.

    To be more specific and give the team here some ideas:
    For my needs (no laser) around 5k for perpetual or let's say 2k for one year is something I could live with.
    Or as mentioned above a subscription for tech support, ideally on a monthly basis.
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    Al Rawlinson
    We work with some really huge LiDAR datasets and the software in theory is the perfect tool for our workflows however the lack of documentation and continuing problems we are experiencing with PTX import mean we wont be opting for the full license at the moment. We have spent similar amounts on other meshing software that we knew would speed up our workflows but they had detailed documentation (even training) and are stable.
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    Tom Baets
    The pricing is interesting. My analysis compared to Agisoft PhotoScan:

    Free Demo is nice, but honestly I feel like PhotoScan's (and Adobe's) strategy of offering a one-month full-featured free trial (where results can actually be saved) is the more successful model. People start using the software for their commercial projects (like with the Beta version of RC) and come to rely on it / see all the advantages. Also, this is the only attractive trial mode for universities and 3D scanning instructors because you can simply send your students a link to the 1-month free trial a day before class, teach your students how to use the software and do their own little project (and save and edit it in other software). When they graduate these students will buy your software, so in the end universities and 3D instructors are some of your main "allies" in spreading use of your software.

    € 99 / 3 months seems reasonable. For most people this will definitely be the best offer. No tech support doesn't seem like a big deal, most people use the forums anyway. Max 2500 images; mah, for this price range that's fine.

    € 7500 / 12 months
    this is a huge price-jump (18.75x more expensive than previous option). Who will pay this much for a software they don't know and which they can't trial fully? This might be interesting for big terrain scanning companies / companies that need to merge with laser scan data, but for the freelancer or student who has the occasional 2500+ image dataset, this price range is completely out of reach.

    € 15000 / life*: Let's face it, out-of-date software is no longer an option, certainly not for companies capable of spending € 15000. The field develops so fast that in one year time there's likely to be massive improvements from this company or any number of competitors. I can't imagine anyone buying this option. This is like a Kickstarter "reward" where you say: ah you pay double of the cheaper option, BUT instead of getting everything the cheaper option gets and more, you actually get less. Yes, you pay 2x as much as the other guy, but you don't get updates. Oh and you don't get CLI.

    Now for the "compared to PhotoScan" part:

    - Let's say you've been using PhotoScan as a casual user for 2 years, you bought the Standard Edition and payed a one-time $179. After 2 years of using RC you have instead payed €800* (edited). As an enthousiast PhotoScan seems like the better option. If, however, you are a small freelancer you will probably have bought the Professional Edition of PhotoScan for $3499, in which case RC (€99 subscription) is likely the better option.
    => RC lacks an attractive cheap option for hobbyists, who are often the people with the cool blogs and online tutorials that attract new customers.

    - Let's say you're a medium-sized company. In 2 years you've bought 4 PhotoScan professional (perpetual) licenses for your employees at ca $14 000. You're confident Agisoft will keep providing good support and improve its software over time. However, since CLI is important to your workflow, and you need +2500 images in order to also provide your 4 employees with a RC license you'll pay €30 000 in 2 years!
    => I feel like €7500 is such a high price, that small companies can't afford it, and medium-sized companies are likely to share a single license among several employees. If there was a more affordable price-range small companies would buy a license, and medium-sized companies might buy several licenses. Even though the profits might equal out initially, in the end you'll have more users, which means more publicity, which means more users, etc.

    I really love this software, I'm a big fan of Wishgranter (really, you're a champ mate, thanks for all your hard work and support on this forum and others, and on this software), all competition in the field of Photogrammetry is very good news, and of course so long as RC has the faster algorithms the price might not be an issue for rich professionals and larger companies. In that sense comparing RC and PhotoScan might be like comparing apples and oranges. On the other hand PhotoScan is still easier to use, has a lower-entry threshold for beginners, a simpler UI and is more robust for "bad" datasets (such as old pictures). Agisoft has been the market leader for some 3 years now, in part due to their attractive pricing.

    My analysis is that *if both products are considered as equals* RC has the more attractive pricing for small freelancers, while Agisoft has the most attractive pricing for enthousiasts as well as larger companies. The biggest threat to RC is Agisoft catching up and providing similar speeds. The biggest threat to Agisoft is currently RC, but likely more so if RC manages to simplify its interface, produce better documentation and provide more competitive prices.
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    Götz Echtenacher
    Hey Tom,

    interesting post.
    You hit the nail on the head.
    Only point I disagree is the price you spend on 2 yrs RC Basic: it's 800 (4x99x2). :geek:
    But that's just splitting hairs.

    I do think that RC excells on two more important aspects: sky and dark corners.
    With photoscan, you have to mask the sky entirely, otherwise you are screwed. With RC - no issue at all. Same is true for dark corners which are almost impossible to avoid with complex geometry (e.g. buildings) if you don't want to spend weeks for lighting each shot. In Photoscan, this will result in ugly black noise, even if you have the areas covered well lit in enough images. RC has no problem with these parts whatsoever.
    In addition to that, I have not noticed any difficulties with changing objects in the set like birds, people or even my backpack and the occasional tip of my shoe... :oops:

    Oh, and I absolutely share your big praise for Wishgranter!!!
    To be honest, he was the reason why I looked into the software so early on - being one of the most helpful outside members in the agisoft forum.
    *BOTH THUMBS UP*

    So PS has to tweak a bit more than just the speed-screw... :mrgreen:
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    Jon
    I had no idea laser support wasnt included in the 3 month version - was going to keep doing experiments with the software exactly for this feature.
    It does not mean I have a laser scanner, but I have access to one which is fun.
    I agree with some of the other guys about the pricing, I'd be happy with the 2500 images + laser scan support - especially since I have to export everything to PTX! yuck :) and I agree that CLI is an advanced feature that is worth the money in the advanced version.
    Having already spent 4K on photoscan after months of testing (seriously it took 12 months) I find that most of the features I use now are actually available on the basic version. The other problem is the Australian dollar is so bad right now I will never buy anything above 1K. I own zbrush, Adobe suite, 3D coat etc and all those packages are under 1K.

    Its possible CapturingReality simply started the price high, because once you drop the price you cannot go back up :)
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    Bill Isenberger
    Hi Jon,
    Under compare products it looks like the Promo supports Images and/or Laser-Scans.

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    Götz Echtenacher
    Hey John,

    Bill is right.
    I was talking about MY specific needs, which don't include Laser data atm.
    Sorry for the confusion!
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    Bill Isenberger
    My 2 cents.
    I'm a freelancer and have PS pro. I only use it occasionally for some of my work and it works good for that. CapturingReality still needs to get rid of some of the kinks and to develop the documentation. When it does, the benefits I see for using RC are it's speed and ability to handle more photos. I will purchase the Promo option if I have a project that warrants using it over PS pro. I would also consider the other options if I did more of this type of work and it generated sufficient funds.
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    Jon
    Thanks guys. In that case I'm pretty happy with the promo version for now!
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    Götz Echtenacher
    Same here - as much as I would like to spend a bit more for a bit more... ;)

    Speaking of PROMO.
    I have been wondering if it is an option that will not be available indefinitely.
    Could someone disperce my concerns? :)
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    numerobis
    Wishgranter wrote:
    PM me on milos.lukac@capturingreality.com so we can talk what can be done to improve-optimize it.....

    Thanks for your offer! What would you need to know? Should i send you images of the object? PM or mail?
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    Wishgranter
    Hi numerobis

    Yes img data, so can say what can be done and not just talk about it... :D
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    Wishgranter
    Speaking of PROMO.

    its just name as we have not figure how we should name it for now...
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    Götz Echtenacher
    The name is fine - just sounds like it could be limited, that's all.
    If it isn't, all the better! :D

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