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    rivet
    Hi folks,

    Why all of the guys in this forum compare RC vs Photoscan ? Someone has used Pix4dmapper "7500€/perpetual or 2500€/year" or ContextCapture "7900€/perpetual" (Smart3dCapture from Acute3D sold to Bentley in 2015) ? I think the real competitor of RC is ContextCapture, in terms of speed, quality and robustess of the models. And check for the new israeli amazing software.....

    Regards
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    Wishgranter
    yup a good point

    but if take a deeper look the 7,5k license can process say 1500-1700 x 18 Mpix imgs as its per 30 Gpix limited.
    the 99 EUR version is limited to 2500 images and can use even 200+ Mpix cameras ( large cam )
    For the speed from our testing we are 2-3 times faster on single PC

    for the quality that is for longer discussion :D

    and they cannot process terrestrial laser data....

    Not to speak about price if need process more than 30 Gpix of data... we are much cheaper in short and longterm...
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    Warren Schultz
    Wishgranter wrote:
    Hi Warren Schultz

    its like in TRIAL version up to 31.1. so when need EXPORT need to be connected. Not for recon and etc..
    Just for export..


    Are you limiting installs to a single PC like the preview version? (If you're selling the option to pre-process in the field and bring the project back to the office for full pricing, that sounds like two licenses are required?)
    can switch licenses from PC to PC but at least for now its limited how much times can switch per year

    I'm more than a little disappointed.
    every new tech cost a lot....
    so the 2500 imgs/scanns version for 99 EUR is not enough ?


    Tom's post on page 2 of the thread seems like a really good analysis of the pricing. I won't reiterate everything he said, but for my use, here's the short version:

    Online processing seems unnecessary, and I have been places that I've needed to export without internet connection. I also have future plans where internet is known to be unreliable. Long story, but true.

    Switching license limitations is something that Adobe used to do, and realized what a usage problem it was for people. As a freelancer, if I am paying for the lowest-end version, I'm not going to want to have my capture laptop tied up with processing. I want to load it up on my workstation and let that process while I do other work (in other programs) on my laptop. Autodesk and Adobe both have their systems. 3DS Max allows license transfer via online mechanism, Creative Cloud allows for two workstations (desk/laptop) per user license. Yes, you can theoretically make more money by locking that down, but you lose goodwill with customers, because it tells them you don't trust them to respect the licensing agreement.

    My only other comment regarding pricing is that the 99EUR for freelancers is frustrating, because if I am working a project, I rarely have a three month stretch of time that I need to use a piece of software. A per-month charge makes much more sense, with a discount for people who use it an entire year. (See Adobe's model, which allows a lower monthly payment, with penalty for cancelation.)

    The other issue I have was noted elsewhere in the thread: without demo export capabilities, I cannot tell if the OBJ export bug I ran into in the beta has been resolved.

    All that being said, I'm really impressed with what I saw so far in the beta, otherwise I wouldn't be taking the time to reply. It's a very nice piece of software, I just feel like there are a few things that need to be taken care of for me to buy in.
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    Götz Echtenacher
    Hi rivet,

    interesting point - I guess because some of us didn't know these competitors? :)
    Another one is that imho with photoscan you get more for the buck, especially with the basic version, so it's just more well known with enthusiasts and freelancers who don't use it exclusively an therefore can't afford the ones you mentioned.
    Another one is that I think many people who got involved here are looking for alternative programmers or rather specialised software. I personally am not a fan of huge companies like Autodesk and Bentley (which excludes one of your examples for me) because there is almost nothing you can do as a small customer, whereas here you chat with the guys more or less directly.
    Btw, the Israelian one you're talking about is Datumate, right?

    Wishgranter,
    which one are you talking about? All of them? :D
    Speed is very important, but even more so is memory consumption in which your app excells over Photoscan, too, as far as I can tell. How would you judge the diference to the above mentioned competitors?
    Their hardware specs seem rather modest.

    Back to the topic:
    What I find very nifty are some pricing options, namely the monthly one - have you guys considered that at all?
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    Götz Echtenacher
    Hey Warren,

    I think "online" only means that they want your statistics like it was before with the beta.
    That seems fair to me.
    If it isn't implemented yet it shouldn't be hard to store them somewhere and send them once you are back online.
    What I can't entirely agree with you is the criticism of 99 € for 3 months.
    Even though I am also on a tight budget sometimes, I really think in a professional environement this kind of expenditure should not be an issue. My question about monthly rent was aimed at the full version...
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    Trond Kasper Mikkelsen
    I think 99/3 months in principle is fairly ok, although I'm missing educational pricing options which pretty much every competitor has (Autodesk has given me free unlimited access to ReCap since early beta, Photoscan standard edu is next to nothing, and that's a lot of bang for the buck!). And honestly, although RC looks very promising, I wouldn't pay a single euro for software without support as long as there is no user manual and I don't know what 95% of the settings are for! I've done a bit of comparative testing since I discovered RC just last week, and without knowing how to twist the parameters I don't get consistently better results than competing solutions. Thin features are better, flat surfaces are worse. Complex terrain is better, single small objects are worse. Maybe it's all down to settings, but how will I know? Even in my position I can't spend the better part of the semester trying to find out (completely tying down one of my workstations in the meantime).

    Once proper documentation is available I'll happily pay 400/year for the features. 7500? Unlikely.
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    Wishgranter
    Hi Trond Kasper Mikkelsen

    We try make at least initial price release so the ones who need it can buy it already. We just get to open public in last 3 months so hope you could fully test the RC solution and can see its benefits. we had big customers in state level heritage project where the RC was used over 3 years and they could process over 1 milion 3D objects with "few licenses".
    So its very powerful solution, if know our competitors then know their limitations, and so hope we give you more freedom on ordinary PC with ease.

    Can im ask you what sort of school are doing you study ?
    for what purpose planning to use the RealityCapture ??
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    Wishgranter
    For the HELP file

    is use F1 get help file directly in application. Yes it not covering every part of the sw but for you work mostly need just to change points detected per images and get good captured cameras with simple photogrmmetric use in mind. Not need cahnge anything in meshing use NORMAL or HIGH and get best possible results. the meshing part is very well designed and from the years of use we need to change them in just very specific cases that causal user not get into..

    If need help im very well known person who is willing to help you out if stuck somewhere in the process. so feel free to ask in the forum if get in some issues with RC ..
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    chris
    I think it would be interesting to offer the full version monthly or even weekly (then could just get a few license and run over multiple machines).

    most of the time I think I'll be ok with 99 version. or will have to work around that.

    but there are a few things I'd like to do that will use a lot more. but won't need it very often.
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    rivet
    Yes the Israelian company is Datumate http://www.datumate.com, and a friend told me about Holistic company http://holistic-imaging.com that is a good competitor in terms of DSM and DTM.

    It will be planned that RC could have a filtering tool to have a DTM from a DSM ? Like in Photoscan or Pix4d ?
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    Wishgranter
    Yes the Israelian company is Datumate http://www.datumate.com, and a friend told me about Holistic company http://holistic-imaging.com that is a good competitor in terms of DSM and DTM.

    DTM a DSM as you write about it speeds, yes that possible when you do 2,5D reconstruction that is OK for "light weight orthos" and easy DTM
    if need properly reconstructed areas where are buildings and etc then need good and full 3D reconstruction not the pseudo 2,5D reconstruction like "heightfield" named in agi


    It will be planned that RC could have a filtering tool to have a DTM from a DSM ? Like in Photoscan or Pix4d ?
    we have DTM and DSM already in RC :D
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    Götz Echtenacher
    Hey rivet,

    I have been looking into Datumate or rather Datugram a bit but it seems that it is not point cloud based but rather old school photogrammtetry where you have to select each point you are interested in separately in each image, although point clouds might be aqired in some way at a later point. Another huge difference is that you can only use one camera with a fixed lens. So considering that it's not really a direct competitor...
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    rivet
    Ok for Datumate. RC is in this competitors list :)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compariso ... y_software

    This page is very up to date :!: RC for €99-15000 (Free Demo)
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    Götz Echtenacher
    Thanks for the link - couldn't find it anymore... :D
    The software listed covers all kinds of different approaches though.
    And aspect3D is missing, for example... ;)
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    Trond Kasper Mikkelsen
    Wishgranter - thanks for the reply, I'll be sure to post some questions about specific cases in the near future;) I agree that RC addresses many of the weaknesses in the competition, and as I said I think 400/year is actually fair enough for this quality. Still think Edu license should be an option... but in general I am impressed by your work.

    I'm working as the Technical Manager for the center of digital fabrication at the Oslo National Academy of the Arts. I've been doing this for the past 8 years, assisting students, teachers and researchers in their digital fabrication needs (3D scanning, 3D printing, CNC and digital modelling), as well as using the technology for my own art and research. I use photogrammetry as my primary 3D scanning tool (replacing both laser and structured light) for everything from single objects (teeth, stones, bones, furniture etc.) to buildings, interiors and landscapes with the use of UAV's which I also design specifically for this purpose. I was most impressed by RC results over competing solutions in a project I did in Spitsbergen where I scanned a beach littered with bones from whaling 100 years ago - RC performed exceptionally in the fine detail of single bones and blew all the others off their feet:) So, as you can understand, I'm pretty convinced. But proper instructions is a point of principle;)
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    bisenberger
    Wishgranter wrote:
    For the HELP file

    is use F1 get help file directly in application. Yes it not covering every part of the sw but for you work mostly need just to change points detected per images and get good captured cameras with simple photogrmmetric use in mind. Not need cahnge anything in meshing use NORMAL or HIGH and get best possible results. the meshing part is very well designed and from the years of use we need to change them in just very specific cases that causal user not get into..

    If need help im very well known person who is willing to help you out if stuck somewhere in the process. so feel free to ask in the forum if get in some issues with RC ..

    Hi Wishgranter,
    Knowing you are willing to offer help on the forum is a boon for RC. :)
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    Wishgranter
    Hi Trond Kasper Mikkelsen

    Wishgranter - thanks for the reply, I'll be sure to post some questions about specific cases in the near future;) I agree that RC addresses many of the weaknesses in the competition, and as I said I think 400/year is actually fair enough for this quality. Still think Edu license should be an option... but in general I am impressed by your work.
    Thanx, for the EDU and etc we have some internal talks about it already in last months, but at least we have not EDU licensing options ready.


    I'm working as the Technical Manager for the center of digital fabrication at the Oslo National Academy of the Arts. I've been doing this for the past 8 years, assisting students, teachers and researchers in their digital fabrication needs (3D scanning, 3D printing, CNC and digital modelling), as well as using the technology for my own art and research. I use photogrammetry as my primary 3D scanning tool (replacing both laser and structured light) for everything from single objects (teeth, stones, bones, furniture etc.) to buildings, interiors and landscapes with the use of UAV's which I also design specifically for this purpose. I was most impressed by RC results over competing solutions in a project I did in Spitsbergen where I scanned a beach littered with bones from whaling 100 years ago - RC performed exceptionally in the fine detail of single bones and blew all the others off their feet:) So, as you can understand, I'm pretty convinced. But proper instructions is a point of principle;)


    OK, yes it can be frustrating with the HELP but at least for now we try do it by personal assistance if get in issues because the help cannot explain everything and in most cases it the solution a bit about explaining how to improve it as a whole workflow.
    Or we can offer even on site training as its the best way for the users to get experienced help.
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